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		<title>Roth 401(k) versus traditional 401(k)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone says to take advantage of the 401(k), because most employers will offer a match to your contributions.  But some don&#8217;t, including mine, so I looked into which plan would be best for me &#8212; a recent grad with an optimistic fiscal future.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Everyone says to take advantage of the 401(k), because most employers will offer a match to your contributions.  But some don&#8217;t, including mine, so I looked into which plan would be best for me &#8212; a recent grad with an optimistic fiscal future.</p>
<p>This <a href="http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/the-worlds-easiest-guide-to-understanding-retirement-accounts/">brief overview</a> by Ramit Sethi on iwillteachyoutoberich is great for getting the basic vocabulary down.  After that, the most helpful article I found was on CNN Money, <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/07/pf/expert/expert3.moneymag/?postversion=2008011009">by Walter Updegrave</a>. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roth_401(k)">Wikipedia entry</a> on Roth 401(k)s also isn&#8217;t a bad resource.</p>
<p>I realized after reading all this that one should participate in both plans to &#8220;hedge your bets&#8221; &#8212; finance-speak for <em>covering all your bases</em>.  The real decisions are whether you&#8217;ll be putting more into one or the other and what your 401(k) allocations look like.  There&#8217;s usually too much un-funny funny in the Motley Fool for my taste, but their page on <a href="http://www.fool.com/money/401k/401k05.htm">picking what goes into your 401(k)</a> is very helpful.</p>
<p>Anyway, back to this Roth/traditional 401(k) business.</p>
<p><strong>What Tax Brackets Have To Do With It</strong></p>
<p>Updegrave shows that the tax savings are equal in the end if you stay in the same tax bracket, say, 25 percent.  But if you expect to be in a higher tax bracket, say 33 percent, then why not get it taxed at 25 percent and withdraw tax-free when you&#8217;re old?  Furthermore, it&#8217;s not for certain that tax rates will increase in the future, but they probably will.  We&#8217;ve all heard Obama say he&#8217;s increasing taxes for people who make more than 200,000, right?  I&#8217;m not saying I will ever make more than that, but *just* in case&#8230;</p>
<p>You could you expect to be in a higher tax bracket if you are just starting your career and plan to be making a lot more money in the next forty years.  You could expect to be in a lower tax bracket if you are already at the peak of your career and will be taking it down a notch in the next two decades or so.</p>
<p><strong>How Much Can You Put In?</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>Then there&#8217;s the question if which one lets you put more money in from the get-go.  max is 15,500 for both.</p>
<p>If Roth after-tax in 25 percent bracket, then you invest 15,500 pre-tax (which becomes 11,625) and even more (3,375 x 1.25 = 4,218.75) up to 15,500 to max it out.  so you put more in from the start. If traditional 401k, then you max it out at 15,500 pre-tax and should invest the tax savings (4,218.75) in stocks.  if your stocks do well then you end up with more!</p>
<p>For mid-career folks with a higher income, the Roth 401(k) is also pretty much the only way to take advantage of the after-tax feature of a Roth IRA. Before the Roth 401(k), you could only get a Roth IRA, which maxes out at $5,000 per year and is only available to people who make under $110,000 annually.</p>
<p><strong>Final Notes</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>If your company does offer a match, the match goes into a 401(k), not the Roth 401(k).</li>
<li>You can roll the Roth 401(k) into a Roth IRA at any time, i.e., if you change employers, or to avoid making required withdrawals after age 70 or so.</li>
<li>There&#8217;s a Social Security benefit to the Roth 401(k), which is that the money here isn&#8217;t going to be taxed as income in the future.</li>
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<p><strong>What I&#8217;m Going To Do<br />
</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to start out by giving the Roth 401(k) a (much) weightier percentage of my contributions. Given that I will probably end up in a higher tax bracket in the future, it&#8217;s definitely the better investment for a young person.  Furthermore, the absence of a company match (aka free money) gives me less incentive to put money into the company&#8217;s 401(k) plan, especially in this market.</p>
<p>I found an article saying that the <a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/562148.stm">Roth 401(k) is set to expire in 2010</a>, unless Congress still looks favorably upon it.  Not sure where this is headed, but don&#8217;t feel like looking into it.  Bottom line: take advantage of it while it&#8217;s there.</p>
<p>After the first couple months of savings-ness, I might also open a Roth IRA.  I haven&#8217;t found a single article that hasn&#8217;t advocated for it as an investing essential for young people.  Money from a Roth IRA is more liquid than these 401(k)s, and can be taken out tax-free for new family things like college, a house or even your kids&#8217; education.</p>
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		<title>Forget ING, I&#8217;m switching to HSBC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few months ago, I wrote that I&#8217;d look into opening a high interest savings account at ING.  I mean, I thought it was pretty cool that a bank could exist purely online.  But in spite of its rave online reviews, my user experience with ING has been disappointing.
First, the blaring, ad-like home page just [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=evagrey.wordpress.com&blog=3976234&post=61&subd=evagrey&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>A few months ago, I wrote that I&#8217;d look into opening a high interest savings account at ING.  I mean, I thought it was pretty cool that a bank could exist purely online.  But in spite of its rave online reviews, my user experience with ING has been disappointing.</p>
<p>First, the blaring, ad-like home page just won&#8217;t stop asking me to buy more products to &#8220;Save Your Money!&#8221;  From product descriptions all the way down to the license agreement, ING talks to its customers like they&#8217;re simpletons looking for an easy way out.  I may be a lowly beginner, but stupid I am not.</p>
<p>Secondly, their layout is a mess.  At least 70% of the home page contains links I don&#8217;t need.  The go-to left menu is wasted on product advertisements.  Key links for accessing my account are strewn across an awkwardly horizontal menu.  And their Microsoft Publisher graphics need serious reconsideration.</p>
<p>To be fair, the Orange Savings Account is only a gateway to more expensive (and profitable) financial products.  They offer great deals for online CDs, mortgage and investment services, and an award-winning high interest checking account.  Should I open one of these, I might find that ING is the best bank around.  But honestly, my investment account is already set up, I&#8217;m really rather poor, and all I want is to get 3 to 4% interest on my meager savings.</p>
<p>So what am I looking for?  I want a bank that will respect its beginners, present relevant options for growing my money, and provide me with the tools I need to become a more sophisticated saver.  Of course, all these requirements are rather immaterial feel good effects of a well-designed user interface.  But what can I say, I like design.  If I&#8217;m getting the same service, I might as well choose the prettier one.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve decided to go with ING&#8217;s competitor, HSBC Direct.  They have a clean, well-organized interface that&#8217;s appropriately monotone and rectangular.  All the links I need are neatly stacked in a left menu.  Like ING, I can transfer funds to and from my regular checking account for free and watch my interest grow.  But unlike ING, I&#8217;m not bombarded by silly advertisements and product offers.  What&#8217;s made me really happy is their neat customer service.  Instead of muddling through 10 minutes of robot phone menus, they call you!  A customer service representative can dial you at a chosen number, at any time of day.</p>
<p>Finally, a couple quirky details about HSBC that are not great, but not deal breakers:</p>
<ul>
<li>This post has been so long in coming because of the two week lag time between registration and the snail-mail arrival of a temporary password, blech!</li>
<li>HSBC presents the additional formality of signing up for online transfers apart from your account, which is strange, but it&#8217;s no trouble at all.</li>
<li>HSBC accounts have two complete number/letter passwords, whereas ING requires a regular number/letter password and a number code.</li>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this is interesting.  Ramit Sethi, blogger of iwillteachyoutoberich.com, proposes a November challenge: Save $1000 in 30 days.  Here is his promise:
I promise: No stupid frugality tips
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Well, this is interesting.  Ramit Sethi, blogger of <a href="http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/announcing-the-save-1000-in-30-days-challenge">iwillteachyoutoberich.com</a>, proposes a November challenge: Save $1000 in 30 days.  Here is his promise:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>I promise: No stupid frugality tips</strong></p>
<p>I’m not trying to save $1 or even $10 per week, because it’s not worth changing your behavior for that kind of money. Guys, we’re aiming to save $1,000 in 30 days. That’s why this series will not include retarded suggestions like “Start a garden” or “Buy day-old food from bakeries.” I certainly won’t tell you to cut your rent or move to a cheaper place, because NOBODY WILL DO IT! Does anyone ever follow those stupid tips? No, but it sure makes other personal-finance authors feel good about themselves for coming up with a suggestion that theoretically, maybe, somehow could save money for the moron who would do it. Not here.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here is his plan.  And yes, in the knowingly precocious flavor of its namesake, it is called the &#8220;C.E.O. plan:&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Save $1000 in 30 days challenge<br />
</strong><br />
<span style="color:#99cc00;"><strong>C</strong></span> = Cut one habit cold-turkey<br />
for example: Reduce eating out. Stop drinking 4 nights/wk.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#99cc00;">E</span></strong> = Earn more<br />
for example: Sell at least one thing on ebay. Babysitting. Freelancing.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color:#99cc00;">O</span></strong> = Optimize spending<br />
for example: Negotiate insurance rates. Optimize cell phone and cable bill.</p></blockquote>
<p>While I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ll commit, I will definitely check in on the tips, because this guy talks like he knows it all.  He probably doesn&#8217;t, but he knows enough to make what little I know, zero.</p>
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		<title>personal finance 3: sht hits the &#8212; mint II</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First: the peppermint plant might not make it, due to directed indifference on both our parts. [D.Olivan]
Nudge: mint.com came up in conversation last night [J.Ge].  This makes me happy for a number of reasons (positive feedback!), but, aside from my self-justification as a savvy young pre-professional, I am glad to come back to this neglected [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=evagrey.wordpress.com&blog=3976234&post=35&subd=evagrey&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>First: the peppermint plant might not make it, due to directed indifference on both our parts. [D.Olivan]</p>
<p>Nudge: mint.com came up in conversation last night [J.Ge].  This makes me happy for a number of reasons (positive feedback!), but, aside from my self-justification as a savvy young pre-professional, I am glad to come back to this neglected little preaching post.  No promises on posting frequency, but know that I haven&#8217;t forgotten about this. [J.Shum]</p>
<p>Post: The past two months have been a free-for-all, buy this, get tickets for that, lunches out and elaborate dinners in.  As my balance drops and I await my numbered paychecks, I&#8217;ve hit that wall (or zero?) that I&#8217;m sure many young people do.  And my answer?  Budget, duh.  As with most major life changes, it&#8217;s a process.  Now to be fair, all my limits are only a shot in the dark until I am really, really employed.  Luckily, my favorite money tool <strong>mint</strong> has taken great strides in the past six months.</p>
<p>New and updated features:</p>
<ul>
<li>Improved automatic categorization of your spending, along with the option to customize</li>
<li>The ability to split transactions, especially useful for cash withdrawals</li>
<li>New visualization tool to map your investment history against the Dow, S&amp;P, NASDAQ</li>
<li>Blogblogblogblogblog: <a href="http://blog.mint.com/blog/">blog.mint.com</a></li>
</ul>
<p>If you&#8217;re still not convinced, look into it yourself.  Here&#8217;s a re-posting of the three top free online personal finance services:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><span style="color:#99cc00;">(</span></strong><a href="http://www.mint.com/" target="_blank"><span class="nfakPe">mint</span>.com</a><strong><span style="color:#99cc00;">)</span></strong><br />
<em>&#8220;Free Personal Finance Software, Online Money Manager, Budget Planner and Financial Planning&#8221;<strong><span style="color:#99cc00;"><br />
</span></strong></em>Clean &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; user interface. mostly a visualization tool to let you consolidate your finances, create a budget, and see where you&#8217;re spending your money.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wesabe.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#ffcc00;"><strong>(</strong></span>wesabe.com</a><strong><span style="color:#ffcc00;">)</span></strong><br />
<em>&#8220;Get to Know Your Money&#8221;<br />
</em> With social networking component, so you can see what others spend, recommended products, their saving tips (&#8230;superfluous.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yodlee.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#cc99ff;"><strong>(</strong></span>yodlee.com</a><strong><span style="color:#cc99ff;">)</span></strong><br />
<em>&#8220;Innovative Bill Pay, Personal Finance, and Online Account Opening Tools&#8221;<br />
</em> The Original Gangster, but far too complex for single young people without businesses, mortgages and families, IMO.</p></blockquote>
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